Stories, science and secrets from the world’s brightest thought-leaders. Behavioral Grooves is the podcast that satisfies your curiosity of why we do what we do. Explanations of human behavior that will improve your relationships, your wellbeing, and your organization by helping you find your groove.
Episodes
Monday Jul 11, 2022
Monday Jul 11, 2022
Over the last 50 years, little has changed for the pharmaceutical management of mental illness. This is troublesome, but not unsolvable, according to The New York Times writer and author, Daniel Bergner. We talked with him about his most recent book, The Mind and the Moon: My Brother’s Story, the Science of Our Brains, and the Search for Our Psyches, and some of the key themes he discovered along his personal journey with a mentally challenged family member and other people he came to know well.
We discussed the shortcomings of our current mental healthcare systems and processes, the benefits of non-traditional mental health therapies, the ancient myth about the Turkey Prince, and how we might be able to get immediate relief by reframing the conversation about pain management and pain suppression.
The book features stories about his brother and a few other people that are told in remarkable detail over a long period of time. The gripping and beautifully-told narrative will open your eyes to some of the challenges that mental illness brings to life. Our conversation with Daniel explored these stories and areas of mental health that are too often overlooked - and we are grateful we get to share that conversation with you.
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Most importantly, if you or someone you know needs help, please seek help. The Mental Health Guide is a global resource with phone numbers and websites in dozens of countries: https://www.helpguide.org/find-help.htm.
Topics
(2:45) Welcome and speed round.
(5:23) What the book The Mind and The Moon is about.
(7:18) Progress in mental health treatment and with society in the last 50 years.
(10:00) The 3 stories that illustrate mental health in the book.
(15:50) The effect of psilocybin.
(18:15) What a turkey under a table can teach us about managing mental illness.
(21:09) What are the next steps in mental health?
(22:51) Daniel’s personal journey.
(26:23) Writing the book in the context of the Trump election and George Floyd.
(29:15) This is not an anti-pharmaceutical book.
(35:18) Was it deliberate that music was a big part of the book?
(41:42) Grooving Session with Kurt and Tim discussing mental health.
© 2022 Behavioral Grooves
Links
Mental Health Guide with global phone numbers and websites: https://www.helpguide.org/find-help.htm
Daniel Bergner’s book, “The Mind and The Moon: My Brother's Story, the Science of Our Brains, and the Search for Our Psyches”: https://amzn.to/3aka5pU
Psilocybin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin
Steven Hyman: shorturl.at/lty19
Episode 274, Paul Bloom, “Why Finding Pleasure in Life is a Painful Journey”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/pleasure-is-a-painful-journey/
Episode 255, Daniel Almeida “The 5 Healthy Brain Habits Of A Neuroscientist”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/healthy-brain-habits-neuroscience/
Behavioral Grooves Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves
Musical Links
Stanley Brothers “The Darkest Hour Is Just Before Dawn”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmiYKpVNOVg
Marty Robbins “Red River Valley”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezJkRDQmL2Y
Simon & Garfunkel “The Sound of Silence”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAEppFUWLfc
Wolfgang Mozart “Symphony No. 36 in C Major, K. 425 ‘Linz’ - I. Adagio - Allegro spiritoso”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMloPIwd_FM
Antonio Vivaldi “Four Seasons - Spring”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LAPFM3dgag
Tuesday Jul 05, 2022
Tuesday Jul 05, 2022
Customer feedback lacks two fundamental pieces of information: context and behavior. Traditional methods of insight, like the Net Promoter Score (NPS) and customer feedback surveys have their limitations. Andrea Belk Olson, our guest on this episode, challenges organizations to adopt a different approach to customer behavior by delving into the WHY and the WHAT, then coming up with a WOW hypothesis - a 3 step process called the 3W Ideation.
Author of the new book, “What to Ask: How to Learn What Customers Need but Don't Tell You”: https://amzn.to/3yvooRF, Andrea Belk Olson is the CEO of applied behavioral science consulting firm Pragmadik, and head of the University of Iowa JPEC startup incubator. She delivers a unique, cognitive method for discovering hidden customer needs, converting them quickly into differentiators, and avoiding the pitfalls of traditional research.
By using behavioral insights in organizations, Andrea believes that companies can become more customer focused. And when everyone in an organization is customer focused, the whole strategic vision of the company realigns.
If you enjoy listening to Behavioral Grooves Podcast, please consider donating to our work through our Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves. We use all the donations to fund the production of the podcast. Thanks!
Topics
(3:11) Welcome and speed round questions.
(7:14) How can marketers understand customers' needs?
(13:01) How to remove the disconnect between marketing and sales.
(16:42) The steps marketing can take to get closer to the customer.
(19:23) How behavioral science can help with adapting to change.
(26:07) The 3 W Ideation process: Why, What & WOW.
(30:04) The shortcomings of the Net Promoter Scores (NPS).
(32:44) What role does culture play?
(37:31) What Beethoven can teach us about behavior change.
(42:28) What music would Andrea take to a desert island?
(45:37) Grooving session with Kurt and Tim on What To Ask.
© 2022 Behavioral Grooves
Links
Andrea Belk Olson’s book: “What to Ask: How to Learn What Customers Need but Don't Tell You”: https://amzn.to/3yvooRF
Episode 289, Why Not All Nudges Work ”In The Wild” with Nina Mazar PhD & Dilip Soman PhD: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/why-not-all-nudges-work-in-the-wild-nina-mazar-dilip-soman/
Musical Links
Queen “I Want To Break Free”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3w5gVM_4y8
Led Zeppelin “Whole Lotta Love”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQmmM_qwG4k
Monday Jun 27, 2022
Monday Jun 27, 2022
Utilizing the power of identity by proudly declaring yourself as indistractable can be a persuasive step in becoming the kind of person we want to be. By changing the language we use to describe ourselves, we can actually influence our own behavior.
This is just one of the techniques that our popular guest, Nir Eyal describes in his new book, “Indistractable: How to Control Your Attention and Choose Your Life”. Nir is the international bestselling author of “Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products”, a behavioral design expert, and host of the wonderful podcast “Nir and Far”.
In a world full of demands on our attention, we may think that getting distracted is a recent phenomenon and blame our technology use. But in this episode, Nir describes how getting distracted is simply part of our human nature, something we’ve been plagued with for centuries. Listen to our fascinating interview with Nir to learn how to be intentional with our tasks, what planning our time should look like and why leaving time for reflection can lead to more creative achievements.
If you enjoy this interview with Nir Eyal on Behavioral Grooves, please consider donating to our work through our Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves. We use all the donations to fund the production of the podcast. Thanks!
Topics
(3:42) Welcome and speed round questions.
(7:22) Why to-do lists are the worst way to increase productivity.
(12:41) Internal triggers and external triggers.
(16:13) Why is it easier to look outside ourselves than inside ourselves?
(17:57) Nir’s personal journey into behavioral design.
(23:37) The morality of manipulation: behavioral design and ethics.
(27:06) The regret test: how you test ethical design at the corporate level.
(37:02) Practicing self compassion has surprising results on reaching your goals.
(42:23) How the language we use affects our behavior.
(49:28) Nir's very unusual answer to the desert island music question.
(52:29) Grooving session with Kurt and Tim on being indistractable.
© 2022 Behavioral Grooves
Links
Nir Eyal’s book: “Indistractable: How to Control Your Attention and Choose Your Life”: http://geni.us/Indistractable
Indistractable bonus content: http://nirandfar.com/indistractable
Nir and Far Podcast: https://www.nirandfar.com/podcast/
Habits vs routines: https://www.nirandfar.com/habits/
Why schedules are better than to-do lists: https://www.nirandfar.com/todo-vs-schedule-builder/
Time boxing: https://www.nirandfar.com/timeboxing
Kurt Lewin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Lewin
Dan Pink, Episode 277: No Regrets? Really? Why Regrets Actually Bring Us Hope: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/why-regrets-bring-us-hope/
Roy Baumeister, Episode 171: Self Control, Belonging, and Why Your Most Dedicated Employees Are the Ones To Watch Out For: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/self-control-belonging-and-why-your-most-dedicated-employees-are-the-ones-to-watch-out-for-with-roy-baumeister/
Bernecker Katharina, Job Veronika (2015) “Beliefs about willpower moderate the effect of previous day demands on next day’s expectations and effective goal striving”: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2015.01496/full
Behavioral Grooves Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves
Musical Links
The Beatles “Don’t Let Me Down”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCtzkaL2t_Y
Kanye West “Stronger”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsO6ZnUZI0g&ab_channel=KanyeWestVEVO
Monday Jun 20, 2022
Monday Jun 20, 2022
Mitt Romney once mistakenly quipped that people were either "makers or takers" echoing a common sentiment among US politicians that by working we provide society with value and are rewarded with a sense of dignity. But what if we considered that each of us had dignity that wasn't engulfed in our work identity? Would we be less susceptible to burnout if we accepted ourselves as enough as we are, regardless of our job status?
Having come through a dark period of burnout himself, Jonathan Malesic firmly believes that we all have dignity. Period. He has written a timely book called The End of Burnout: Why work drains us and how to build better lives. We are delighted that Jon has come to talk to Behavioral Grooves Podcast about what leads to burnout and how to prevent it.
Jon delves into how the Protestant work ethic can contribute to burnout. And echoes Jennifer Moss’ sentiments from last week's episode that burnout is an issue with corporate culture, not an individual problem.
And to Tim's delight, Jon provides some historical context to the first musical mentions of burnout by Bob Dylan and Neil Young back in the 70s. We learn why that period in particular was a pivotal moment in the US labor market and how this is reflected in music from that era.
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Topics
(2:28) Welcome and speed round questions.
(7:47) The expectations of work vs. the reality of work.
(11:38) Jonathan’s experience of burnout.
(16:21) The 6 factors that can lead to burnout.
(21:29) Solutions to burnout.
(23:43) How the Protestant work ethic contributes to burnout.
(27:43) Putting dignity before work.
(32:44) How Jonathan wrote his whole book listening to just one album.
(37:33) Bob Dylan and Neil Young started singing about burnout in the 70s.
(42:45) How to avoid burnout.
(45:56) Grooving Session with Kurt and Tim on the causes and solutions to burnout.
© 2022 Behavioral Grooves
Links
Jonathan Malesic: https://jonmalesic.com/
“The End of Burnout: Why Work Drains Us and How to Build Better Lives” By Jonathan Malesic: https://amzn.to/3tDdS8j
The Parking Lot Movie by Meghan Eckman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Parking_Lot_Movie
Christina Maslach: https://psychology.berkeley.edu/people/christina-maslach
Michael Leiter: https://mpleiter.com/author/mpleiter/
Episode 247, Dr Phil Zimbardo: Stanford Prison Experiment, 50 Years On: What Have We Really Learnt? https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/stanford-prison-experiment/
The Pope’s Encyclicals: https://www.papalencyclicals.net/
Herbert Freudenberger: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Freudenberger
The Myth of Sisyphus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus
Episode 301, Jennifer Moss: How To Fix Burnout (Hint: It Isn’t Another Yoga Session): https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/how-to-fix-burnout-jennifer-moss/
Episode 281, Sesil Pir: Why Leaders Need To Care For People, Not Manage Them: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/care-for-people-not-manage-them/
Behavioral Grooves Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves
Musical Links
Neil Young “Ambulance Blues”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LTiKJlB62g
Bob Dylan “Shelter from the Storm”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gsDBuHwqbM
The War on Drugs “Lost In The Dream”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3HqnHUohOo
Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan “Mustt Mustt”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDfELfpumEE
Monday Jun 13, 2022
Monday Jun 13, 2022
We’ve been programmed to treat burnout as a self-care issue, as if we’re just one yoga session or a relaxation app away from fixing the problem. Jennifer Moss, however, describes the solution to burnout as an organizational issue, not an individual hurdle. Creating a workplace culture where leaders model healthy work behavior, engage with empathy and cater for employees' individual needs can foster an environment that helps prevent burnout before it starts.
"Employees can’t be what they can’t see."
We love Jen’s analogy of the dusty ping pong table to illustrate the perks that some businesses offer but then don’t back-up with a work culture that encourages 20 minute breaks throughout the day. What your left with is a business that sounds like a great place to work, but in reality, there’s a dusty ping pong table in the basement that never gets used. Organizations need to adapt.
Jennifer Moss is a Harvard Business Review contributor and nationally syndicated radio columnist. She was on the Global Happiness Council—a small group of leading scientists and economists that support the UN’s sustainable goals related to global well-being and the Annual Global Happiness Policy Report. Jennifer is also the author of a new book, The Burnout Epidemic which came out in September 2021.
In this episode, Jen will open your eyes to new ways of thinking about burnout - particularly how it gets framed in our culture and that loving your job doesn’t make you immune to burnout.
If you would like to become a special supporter of Behavioral Grooves Podcast, you can join Behavioral Grooves Patreon.
Topics
(4:43) Welcome to Jen and speed round questions.
(8:26) Is loving your work enough to avoid burnout?
(9:20) Why do we struggle so much with burnout?
(10:52) The 6 causes of burnout.
(13:30) The dusty ping pong table.
(15:55) What role does leadership play in preventing burnout?
(21:45) Can you learn empathy?
(25:07) Should companies become more paternalistic?
(26:40) Culture eats strategy for breakfast.
(29:23) Becoming professional eavesdroppers.
(33:36) Non work related check ins.
(38:47) How small team scrums can improve productivity.
(42:19) Does mindset affect agility in teams?
(44:29) What music does Jen enjoy listening to?
(49:00) Grooving Session with Kurt and Tim on burnout.
© 2022 Behavioral Grooves
Links
Jennifer Moss’ book “The Burnout Epidemic: The Rise of Chronic Stress and How We Can Fix It”: https://amzn.to/3K3O4be
Jennifer Moss: https://www.jennifer-moss.com/
Chester Elton, Episode 256 “Anxiety at Work: Why We Feel It and How To Manage It”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/anxiety-at-work-chester-elton/
Dan Pink, Episode 277 “No Regrets? Really? Why Regrets Actually Bring Us Hope“: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/why-regrets-bring-us-hope/
Victoria Shaffer, Episode 95 “End of Life Decision Tools“: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/victoria-schaffer-end-of-life-decision-tools/
Liz Fosslien, Episode 120 “Covid-19 Crisis: Emotional Impact of WFH with Liz Fosslien”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/c-19-crisis-emotional-impact-of-wfh-with-liz-fosslien/
Linda Babcock,. Episode 293 “Women Do Too Much Non-Promotable Work: How To Say No More with Linda Babcock”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/women-do-too-much/
Sandra Sucher, Episode 266 “Trust: The Four Key Steps to Genuinely Build It | Sandra Sucher”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/four-key-steps-to-build-trust/
Musical Links
Ella Fitzgerald “Mack The Knife” Live in Berlin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXAtVbZbkI
Jørgen Dahl Moe “Dancing in the Dark”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Qs6KvfiAY
Etta James “At Last”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-cbOl96RFM
Aretha Franklin “Respect”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOUqQt3Kg0
Sam Cooke “A Change is Gonna Come”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEBlaMOmKV4
Adele “Someone Like You”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLQl3WQQoQ0
Beethoven "Moonlight Sonata": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4591dCHe_sE
Thursday Jun 09, 2022
Thursday Jun 09, 2022
We all know someone who believes in conspiracy theories and we wish we could change their mind. It is possible. There are techniques that can work to transform how people think. But what we love about our conversation with David McRaney is that he adds in a Step 0 to the process and asks “why do you want to change their mind?”
Are you open to changing your own mind? If you have any interest in changing someone else’s mind, you should be open to changing your own mind too. To effectively collaborate with others and compassionately explore differences in opinion, we need to accept that our minds too can be changed.
We are delighted to welcome our esteemed guest David McRaney to this, our 300th episode of Behavioral Grooves Podcast! David takes a fascinating dive into why exactly we hold our beliefs, the science behind each of us seeing the world through slightly different lenses, and the stark reality that truth is tribal. While this is a long episode of Behavioral Grooves, you may just find yourself wanting to listen again as David’s detailed explanations are mind-blowing.
David McRaney is a science journalist and creator of the podcast You Are Not So Smart which explores self delusion and motivated reasoning. His excellent new book (coming out June 2022), “How Minds Change: The Surprising Science of Belief, Opinion, and Persuasion” carefully unravels the science and personal experience of transformed thinking.
Remember the dress that divided social media a few years ago; was it blue and black or white and gold? David explains exactly why some of us saw it differently and adds a new experiment about perception to the mix - crocs and socks!
Conversations like David’s are the reason we produce Behavioral Grooves Podcast. It is a labor of love for us, and so, we really appreciate any financial support our listeners can provide, through our Patreon page. All donations help us continue the work of producing the podcast weekly. If donating isn’t an option for you, don’t worry, you can write us a podcast review which helps promote our show to other listeners. Thank you.
Topics
(4:18) Welcome and speed round questions.
(11:18) How minds change vs. how to change minds.
(14:35) How is elaboration different from learning?
(27:27) Mini Grooving Session on the difference between beliefs, opinions and attitudes.
(34:09) Why do you want to change someone’s mind?
(41:03) The moment David realized he should question why, not just how to change minds.
(52:55) Mini Grooving Session on why to change minds.
(57:27) Why some see the dress as gold & white and some see it as blue & black.
(1:18:28) Mini Grooving Session on the dress and the crocs.
(1:22:15) Truth is tribal.
(1:35:33) Mini Grooving Session on having a social safety net.
(1:40:38) What was the catalyst for David becoming interested in conspiracy theories?
(1:46:19) How to get people off the conspiratorial loop?
(1:51:23) What musical artists would David take to a desert island?
© 2022 Behavioral Grooves
Links
David McRaney’s book, “How Minds Change: The Surprising Science of Belief, Opinion, and Persuasion”: https://amzn.to/3NvGMPp
David McRaney: https://www.davidmcraney.com/
You Are Not So Smart Podcast: https://youarenotsosmart.com/podcast/
Why We Fight WWII Films: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_We_Fight
Hugo Mercier “The Enigma of Reason”: https://amzn.to/3H1UoiN
Episode 53, John Sweeney, Everything Is a Story: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/john-sweeney-everything-is-a-story/
“SURFPAD”- Exploring the roots of disagreement with crocs and socks: https://blog.pascallisch.net/exploring-the-roots-of-disagreement-with-crocs-and-socks/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=exploring-the-roots-of-disagreement-with-crocs-and-socks
Wallisch, Pascal & Karlovich, Michael. (2019). Disagreeing about Crocs and socks: Creating profoundly ambiguous color displays: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335127865_Disagreeing_about_Crocs_and_socks_Creating_profoundly_ambiguous_color_displays
Take the crocs and socks test: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/crocPerception
The dress: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dress
Episode 178, Kwame Christian On Compassionate Curiosity, Social Justice Conversations, and Cinnamon Toast Crunch: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/kwame-christian-on-compassionate-curiosity-social-justice-conversations-and-cinnamon-toast-crunch/
Change blindness: https://youarenotsosmart.com/2009/11/06/change-blindness/
Musical Links
Radiohead “No Surprises”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5CVsCnxyXg
Colin Stetson “Spindrift”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJHr2DlRog8
Monday Jun 06, 2022
Monday Jun 06, 2022
What if we were so optimistic, nothing ever felt like an obstacle, only an opportunity? As an unapologetic optimist, Dr. Paul Zeitz has overcome seemingly insurmountable odds to join forces with leaders around the world, tackling some of the greatest challenges facing humanity. A long-standing advocate for justice and human rights, including children’s rights, he has helped establish global programs to combat AIDS, TB, and Malaria.
From the US Constitution, to the climate crisis, to AIDs; our conversation with Paul is laced with optimism and radical, world-changing ideas. Affected by what he calls SIPO (self imposed persistent optimism), we glance back to how Paul became so positive and hopeful and why it’s become a lifelong habit of shifting his mindset.
At Behavioral Grooves, we really value financial support from our listeners through our Patreon page. If donating isn’t an option for you, don’t worry, you can write us a podcast review which will help promote our show to other listeners. Thank you.
Topics
(4:07) Welcome and speed round questions.
(7:06) Should we rewrite the American constitution?
(11:17) Paul is affected by SIPO. What is it?
(15:14) Going from hating himself to loving himself.
(19:32) How can we transform our neuroplasticity?
(25:24) Love all, serve all.
(27:58) Four global initiatives Paul is involved in.
(29:52) How climate transformation is possible.
(36:49) Paul’s travel to 62 countries and how it's influenced his musical taste.
(43:18) An optimistic Grooving session with Kurt and Tim.
© 2022 Behavioral Grooves
Links
Dr. Paul Zeitz: www.drpaulzeitz.org
Opinion Science Podcast: https://opinionsciencepodcast.com/
Alicia Keys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Keys
Desmond Tutu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Tutu
Dr. Paul Zeitz's books:
- "Waging Optimism; Ushering in a New Era of Justice: Part 1: Ensuring the Survival and Flourishing of Humanity": https://amzn.to/3rZcsmC
- "Waging Justice: A Doctor's Journey to Speak Truth and Be Bold": https://amzn.to/3IJPQxm
Global Carbon Removal Partnership: https://www.carbonremovalpartnership.net/
Julie Battilana, Episode 288, “The Steps Needed To Empower the Powerless”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/steps-to-empower-the-powerless/
John A. List, Episode 296, Fail to Scale: Why Good Research Doesn’t Always Make Great Policy: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/fail-to-scale-john-a-list/
Alia Crum: https://profiles.stanford.edu/alia-crum
Shawn Anchor, “The Happiness Advantage: The Seven Principles of Positive Psychology That Fuel Success and Performance at Work”: https://amzn.to/3NPMrQ4
Behavioral Grooves Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves
Musical Links
Robert Goulet “The Impossible Dream”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5H7lZMuUCM
Nina Simone “Consummation”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is-gdWIBgHo
Flavors of Gratefulness – 120 versions of Modah Ani: https://www.rabbishefagold.com/hebrew_chant/modah_ani_app/
Shulem “Avinu Malkeinu”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27HaHpaFEC8&ab_channel=ShulemVEVO
Monday May 30, 2022
Monday May 30, 2022
Many of us struggle with the demands of parenting. Our response to feeling overwhelmed can be to try and control our kids’ behavior. But guest Sue Donnellan challenges us to lessen our parenting load by giving our children more control, more responsibility and ultimately more respect. While this might go against our instincts, when we take ownership of our own behavior, rather than controlling our kids', we will become happier parents with children able to learn from their mistakes.
Sue Donnellan is the recent author of “Secrets to Parenting Without Giving a F^ck: The Non-Conformist Playbook to Raising Happy Kids Without Public Meltdowns, Power Struggles, & Punishments”. With the surprise arrival of her triplets, Sue had suddenly found herself parenting 4 young kids while also running her own business. She walks us through the moment that radically changed her parenting style, and how she transformed herself into a "reformed yeller". Over the years, Sue's journey of discovery has turned her into a parenting specialist who is known for restoring harmony to homes.
Please note that because of the title of our guest’s book on this episode, there is a lot of colorful language used throughout the podcast. While it’s an episode about parenting, you may want to tune in to this one, away from little ears!
At Behavioral Grooves we really value all of our listeners. If you want to demonstrate your support for our show, you can donate to our work through Patreon. We also love reading reviews of the podcast, and frequently read these out on the show.
Topics
(3:44) Welcome and speed round questions.
(8:49) What is parenting without giving a f^ck?
(11:53) Sues’ parenting journey and why she wrote the book.
(16:36) Why do parents struggle to let go of control?
(19:00) What is The Magic Mantra?
(22:32) Choice architecture in parenting.
(26:04) Dealing with parental guilt.
(29:44) What is 360 decision making?
(35:54) The 4 Fs of parenting.
(39:53) What music would Sue take to a desert island?
(45:09) Grooving Session with Kurt and Tim about parenting.
© 2022 Behavioral Grooves
Links
Sue Donnellan’s book: “Secrets to Parenting Without Giving a F^ck: The Non-Conformist Playbook to Raising Happy Kids Without Public Meltdowns, Power Struggles, & Punishments”: https://amzn.to/3wR0Llw
Follow Sue Donnellan on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn and Twitter with the handle @AskMomParenting
The Zeigarnik Effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeigarnik_effect
Sesil Pir, Episode 281, Why Leaders Need To Care For People, Not Manage Them: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/care-for-people-not-manage-them/
Behavioral Grooves Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves
Musical Links
Sade “Smooth Operator”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TYv2PhG89A
Sade “Cherish The Day”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKhfoKOTwZY
Wednesday May 25, 2022
Wednesday May 25, 2022
World-class pediatric surgeon, social scientist, and best-selling author Dr Dana Suskind MD talks about the Three T's (tune in, talk more and take turns) that parents can do to nurture their children’s brain development and the key ways that society needs to change to invest in the next generation.
Dana is the founder and co-director of the TMW Center for Early Learning & Public Health, and Professor of Surgery and Pediatrics at the University of Chicago. She is also the director of the Pediatric Cochlear Implant Program, and is recognized as a national thought leader in early language development. Her research is dedicated to optimizing foundational brain development and preventing early cognitive disparities and their lifelong impact. Honestly, when she talks about raising kids…we need to listen.
Most recently, Dana has released a fantastic new book detailing the powerful blueprint that society should be taking to meet the developmental needs of all children. We talk more with Dana about why she wrote Parent Nation: Unlocking Every Child's Potential, Fulfilling Society's Promise and how the status quo for parenting in America is not serving parents and children well.
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Topics
(4:58) Welcome and speed round questions.
(9:25) How has American individualism influenced the way we parent our children?
(13:05) How significant is the lack of parental leave in the US?
(17:37) Internalizing parental guilt.
(19:28) Reframing your self talk around raising your kids.
(21:17) The influence of the pandemic on parenting.
(25:19) What has been the impact of the pandemic on children?
(27:28) Why language is so important to early development.
(30:20) The 3 Ts of foundational brain development.
(31:56) The personal trauma that influenced Dana’s writing.
(34:19) What positive support systems are there to help parents?
(39:31) Dana’s ambition to write behavioral economics music!
(41:26) Grooving Session discussing Parent Nation.
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Links
“Parent Nation: Unlocking Every Child's Potential, Fulfilling Society's Promise” by Dana Suskind MD: https://amzn.to/3wD8YIQ
John List, Episode 296: Fail to Scale: Why Good Research Doesn’t Always Make Great Policy: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/fail-to-scale-john-a-list/
Linda Babcock, Episode 293: Women Do Too Much Non-Promotable Work: How To Say No More with Linda Babcock: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/women-do-too-much/
Meryl Streep: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meryl_Streep
John Amos Comenius: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Amos_Comenius
Caitlyn Collins, Washington University: https://sociology.wustl.edu/people/caitlyn-collins
TMW Center for Early Learning + Public Health at the University of Chicago: https://tmwcenter.uchicago.edu/
“Thirty Million Words: Building a Child's Brain” by Dana Suskind MD: https://amzn.to/3wJ1MLl
Dolly Chugh, Episode 230: How Good People Fight Bias with Dolly Chugh: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/cristina-bicchieri-social-norms-are-bundles-of-expectations/
David Yokum, Episode 282: Why Applying Behavioral Science to Public Policy Delivers Better Policy: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/behavioral-science-in-public-policy/
Cristina Bicchieri, Episode 102: Social Norms are Bundles of Expectations: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/cristina-bicchieri-social-norms-are-bundles-of-expectations/
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Musical Links
Johnny Cash “I Walk The Line”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5126CibNsk
Monday May 23, 2022
Monday May 23, 2022
Lots of us have good ideas, some even back their ideas up with successful research. So why do these good ideas fail to scale into great, big ideas? John A. List shares the personal example of his highly successful kindergarten reform in South Side Chicago which then didn’t scale across the nation. His intrigue into this case led him to pen a phenomenal new book about scalability, “The Voltage Effect”.
John A. List, is a Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago as well as recently becoming the first ever Chief Economist at Walmart. Our conversation with John touches on the ambition he has to change the world for the better in this new role at Walmart. But the primary drive for our chat was to discuss his great new book “The Voltage Effect: How to Make Good Ideas Great and Great Ideas Scale”. Listen in to learn about the concept of scalability and why it is so hard to go from, “the petri dish’ (as he puts it) to successful broad scale programs.
As is often the case, we round off our episode with a desert island music selection from our guest. And John’s very thoughtful consideration of the question yields a top notch selection of musical artists. Don’t miss this part of the discussion!
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Topics
(6:06) Welcome and speed round questions.
(11:03) Why John named his book The Voltage Effect.
(13:41) John’s involvement in the Chicago Heights Early Childhood (CHECC) school project.
(23:05) What biases influence people?
(26:29) How Nancy Reagan’s good intentions are an example of scaling failure.
(30:52) Scaling behavioral science.
(39:17) How is John going to change the world as Chief Economist at Walmart?
(43:33) How can insights from charity be applied to other sectors?
(54:55) John’s desert island music selection.
(1:04:11) A “High Voltage” Grooving Session with Kurt and Tim.
© 2022 Behavioral Grooves
Links
John A. List’s book, “The Voltage Effect: How to Make Good Ideas Great and Great Ideas Scale”: https://amzn.to/3a0GOjh
“Just Say No” campaign: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Say_No
Anna Karenina: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Karenina
“Stakes Matter in Ultimatum Games” (2011) by Steffen Andersen, Seda Ertaç, Uri Gneezy, Moshe Hoffman and John List: https://econpapers.repec.org/paper/hhscbsnow/2011_5f001.htm
George Lowenstein, Episode 67 “George Loewenstein: On a Functional Theory of Boredom”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/george-loewenstein-on-a-functional-theory-of-boredom/
“Parent Nation: Unlocking Every Child's Potential, Fulfilling Society's Promise” by Dana Suskind: https://amzn.to/3wD8YIQ
Sam Tatam, Episode 295 “For Revolutionary Solutions, Look To Evolutionary Ideas”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/evolutionary-ideas-sam-tatam/
Scott Jeffrey, Episode 3: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/bg-3-scott-jeffrey-phd-monmouth-university/
Thomas Steenburgh, Episode 51: “How to Sell New Products”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/thomas-steenburgh-how-to-sell-new-products/
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Musical Links
The Beatles “Don’t Let Me Down”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCtzkaL2t_Y
Freddie Mercury/Queen “These are the Days of Our Lives”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB4K0scMysc
Johnny Cash “Ring Of Fire”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCMz70Fm5pA
Marty Robbins “El Paso”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig2GF1sZSEA
The Red Hot Chili Peppers “Under The Bridge”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwlogyj7nFE
AC/DC “High Voltage”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnjh-zp6pP4
Gordon Lightfoot “If You Could Read My Mind”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5tr_L31StI
Kris Kristofferson “For the Good Times”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX094Nn4L_Y
Waylon Jennings “I’ve Always Been Crazy”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI2MhAGtZgE
Fleetwood Mac “Dreams”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3ywicffOj4
Stevie Nicks “Stand Back”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwS9BIqbffU
White Stripes “We’re Going to Be Friends”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKfD8d3XJok