
Stories, science and secrets from the world’s brightest thought-leaders. Behavioral Grooves is the podcast that satisfies your curiosity of why we do what we do. Explanations of human behavior that will improve your relationships, your wellbeing, and your organization by helping you find your groove.
Episodes

Friday Sep 02, 2022
Groove Track | No, Short-Term Rewards Don’t Drain Long-Term Motivation
Friday Sep 02, 2022
Friday Sep 02, 2022
For many years, the general consensus by many researchers and practitioners was that providing people with short-term extrinsic rewards sapped their long-term motivation. This led to some organizations reducing or not using short-term rewards at all. However, this perspective has always had some detractors and now even more research shows that this belief is misleading.
In this episode, Kurt and Tim explore the research paper by Indranil Goswami and Oleg Urmisky with the lovely title of “The Dynamic Effect of Incentives on Post-Reward Task Engagement” that shows that while short-term incentives drive an immediate reduction in task engagement, this only lasts for a short time and that engagement rebounds to the baseline relatively quickly.
We examine some of the backstory to this belief, what the study showed, and review the implications of this.
Links
The Dynamic Effect of Incentives on Post-Reward Task Engagement: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312100138_The_dynamic_effect_of_incentives_on_postreward_task_engagement
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![The Power of Unity: Robert Cialdini Expands His Best Selling Book Influence [Republish]](https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog2137480/Robert_Cialdini_Behavioral_Grooves_300x300.jpg)
Monday Aug 29, 2022
Monday Aug 29, 2022
The GodFather of Influence, Robert Cialdini joins us on Behavioral Grooves to share his motivation for expanding his bestselling book Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion which now includes a completely new Seventh Principle of Influence: Unity. This additional principle can help explain our political loyalties, vaccine hesitancy and why media headlines can be so inflammatory.
Another motivation for the revised edition to the book is to include more application to the Principles of Influence. So our conversation highlights some of Bob’s advice for start-up businesses and how they can harness the principle of Social Proof. And as general advice, Bob recounts how he recently advised a teenager to be generous to others – this in turn stimulates the Rule of Reciprocity, nurturing a relationship which is mutually beneficial.
No episode of Behavioral Grooves would be complete without discussing music, even with guests we’ve interviewed before! But the theme of unity has a special significance with music and Bob highlights how music and dance bring people together and help them feel unified. Plus we get an interesting story of an experiment in France, and how a guitar case played a crucial part in one man’s luck.
We hope you enjoy our discussion with The Godfather of Influence, Robert Cialdini. Since we generously share our great content with you, perhaps you feel influenced by the Rule of Reciprocity and will become a Behavioral Grooves Patreon Member!
[This episode was originally published in May 2021 and you can also listen to our first interview with Robert Cialdini in Episode 50].
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Topics we Discuss on Influence with Robert Cialdini
(3:55) Speed round
(6:50) Ideal number of stars on your online review
(9:00) Why Cialdini wrote a new edition of Influence
(12:13) The new Seventh Principle: Unity
(15:10) How to harness social proof as a start-up
(20:02) A new color of lies
(22:22) Principle of Unity with politics
(24:42) Tribalism and vaccine hesitancy
(28:35) Why Trump getting vaccinated hasn’t influenced his voters
(30:50) How framing of media headlines influences our perception of the news
(33:24) The Petrified Forest Wood Principle
(36:56) Where will the next generation of research go with Cialdini’s work?
(40:52) What advice would Cialdini give your teenager?
(48:23) Music and influence
(53:05) Grooving session
Robert Cialdini’s Books
Influence, New and Expanded: The Psychology of Persuasion https://amzn.to/3tyCpZ6
Pre-Suasion: A Revolutionary Way to Influence and Persuade https://amzn.to/3eGdyOW
Links
Episode 50: Robert Cialdini, PhD: Littering, Egoism and Aretha Franklin: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/robert-cialdini-phd-littering-egoism-and-aretha-franklin/
Increase Your Influence: https://www.influenceatwork.com/
Godfather 2 Movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Godfather_Part_II
Richard Thaler: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Thaler
Daniel Kahneman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Kahneman
Episode 222: How Delusions Can Actually Be Useful: Shankar Vedantam Reveals How: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/shankar-vedantam-useful-delusions/
Donald Trump vaccine: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/04/20/trump-i-dont-know-why-republicans-are-vaccine-hesitant-again-floats-pfizer-conspiracy-theory/
Mike Pence: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/pence-set-receive-covid-vaccine-televised-appearance-n1251655
Petrified Forest Wood Principle: https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-shaping-us/201909/the-petrified-wood-principle
Stanley Schachter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Schachter
Jerome Singer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_E._Singer
Episode 220: How Do You Become Influential? Jon Levy Reveals His Surprising Secrets: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/how-to-be-influential-jon-levy/
The psychology of misinformation: Why it’s so hard to correct: https://firstdraftnews.org/latest/the-psychology-of-misinformation-why-its-so-hard-to-correct/
How to combat fake news and misinformation: https://www.brookings.edu/research/how-to-combat-fake-news-and-disinformation/
Teaching skills to combat fake news and misinformation: https://www.washington.edu/trends/teaching-skills-to-combat-fake-news-and-misinformation/
Episode 102: Cristina Bicchieri: Social Norms are Bundles of Expectations: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/cristina-bicchieri-social-norms-are-bundles-of-expectations/
Episode 214: Observing the Non-Obvious: How to Spot Trends Around You with Rohit Bhargava: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/the-non-obvious-rohit-bhargava/
Behavioral Grooves Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves

Thursday Aug 25, 2022
Groove Track | 12 Words That Improve Company Performance
Thursday Aug 25, 2022
Thursday Aug 25, 2022
Priming studies have had some negative press over the past ten years - some of it justified, some of it not. In this groove track, Kurt and Tim examine a 2018 study done by Alexander Stajkovic, Kayla Sergent, Gary Latham, and Suzanne Peterson called “Prime and Performance: Can a CEO Motivate Employees Without Their Awareness?”
This field study, with real-world implications, demonstrated that the choice of words had an impact on company performance. The impact was not just statistically significant, but it had real-world significance as well. The researchers replaced 12 words in a company President’s e-mail message to his employees. The impact that those 12 words had on performance was wild.
Kurt and Tim examine how the study was set up, the type of priming used, how performance was measured, and explore some of the key findings. We try to peel back the reasons why the interventions worked as it did, and discuss both the positive implications of this study, as well as things we should be wary of.
Listen now or find out more about this paper in our blog post. Enjoy!
![Delusions Can Actually Be Useful: Hidden Brain’s Shankar Vedantam Reveals How [Republish]](https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog2137480/Shankar_Vedantam_Hidden_Brain_Behavioral_Grooves_Podcast6d2q7_300x300.jpg)
Monday Aug 22, 2022
Monday Aug 22, 2022
Shankar Vedantam is the host of the wildly popular podcast, Hidden Brain and esteemed author of the book Useful Delusions: The Power and Paradox of the Self-Deceiving Brain. We initially interviewed Shankar in mid 2021 but want to highlight this discussion for you again as it is one we still discuss in more recent episodes.
Before reading Shankar’s book and interviewing him for this podcast we were, as Shankar describes himself, card-carrying rationalists. We were firmly in the camp of believing rational, scientific findings and believing that lies and deception are harmful to ourselves and to our communities. However, Shankar walks us through a compelling argument, that paradoxically, self-deception actually plays a pivotal role in our happiness and well-being.
In our discussion with Shankar we cover:
- (6:38) Speed round questions.
- (11:04) The difference between self delusions being useful and being harmful.
- (16:23) How nations are a delusional construct.
- (23:00) Awareness of self-delusions and how daily gratitudes can shift our perspective of the world.
- (25:56) Shankar’s personal story of delusional thinking.
- (29:58) The role emotions play in our mood and delusions.
- (35:23) How avoidance of delusional thinking is a sign of privilege.
- (37:30) Why our perceptions play an important role in understanding delusions.
- (44:36) Shankar’s unique approach to conspiracy theories.
- (52:28) What music Shankar has been listening to during COVID.
- (52:15) Grooving Session and Bonus Track with Kurt and Tim.
We really hope you find Shankar’s unique insight on how delusions are useful as compelling as we did. If you’re a regular Behavioral Grooves listener, please consider supporting us through Patreon. Thank you!
© 2022 Behavioral Grooves
Books
- Useful Delusions: The Power and Paradox of the Self-Deceiving Brain https://amzn.to/2PUkzlv
- The Hidden Brain: How Our Unconscious Minds Elect Presidents, Control Markets, Wage Wars and Save Our Lives https://amzn.to/3e1qgWY
Links
Noise: A Flaw in Human Judgment by Kahneman, Sibony and Sunstein, 2021 https://amzn.to/3heyr5r
Richard Dawkins https://richarddawkins.net/
Mahabharata https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahabharata
Lake Wobegon Effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Wobegon
Other Episodes We Talk About
The Myth of the “Relationship Spark” with Logan Ury (featuring a guest appearance by Christina Gravert, PhD): https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/the-myth-of-the-relationship-spark-with-logan-ury-featuring-a-guest-appearance-by-christina-gravert-phd/
Robert Cialdini, PhD: Littering, Egoism and Aretha Franklin: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/robert-cialdini-phd-littering-egoism-and-aretha-franklin/
Self Control, Belonging, and Why Your Most Dedicated Employees Are the Ones To Watch Out For with Roy Baumeister: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/self-control-belonging-and-why-your-most-dedicated-employees-are-the-ones-to-watch-out-for-with-roy-baumeister/
George Loewenstein: On a Functional Theory of Boredom: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/george-loewenstein-on-a-functional-theory-of-boredom/
Gary Latham, PhD: Goal Setting, Prompts, Priming, and Skepticism: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/gary-latham-phd-goal-setting-prompts-priming-and-skepticism/
John Bargh: Dante, Coffee and the Unconscious Mind: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/john-bargh-dante-coffee-and-the-unconscious-mind/
Linda Thunstrom: Are Thoughts and Prayers Empty Gestures to Suffering Disaster Victims? https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/linda-thunstrom-are-thoughts-and-prayers-empty-gestures-to-suffering-disaster-victims/

Monday Aug 15, 2022
How To Find Meaning IN Life | Dr Brian Lowery PhD
Monday Aug 15, 2022
Monday Aug 15, 2022
Three things generate a sense of meaning IN life;
- Coherence - can you make sense of the world?
- Purpose - do you feel a sense of purpose with what you do? And
- Significance - does your life matter?
Having meaning in your life is correlated with a sense of self certainty. Knowing who you are and having a sense of self, gives you structure and a stable way of seeing the world.
But how do you answer the question “who am I?” Our guest, Dr Brian Lowery PhD says the answer isn’t as individualistic as we may have been led to believe. Not only do those around us; our friends, co-workers and parents contribute to who we are, Brian claims they actually create who we are. Putting it bluntly, there is no way of separating “you” from your relationships.
We’ve waited a long time to talk to Brian, who is the Walter Kenneth Kilpatrick Professor of Organizational Behavior at the Stanford Graduate School of Business. He is a social psychologist by training, but Brian’s work is by no means traditional in that field. He studies how individuals perceive inequality, and his research explores individuals' experiences of inequality and fairness in a way that sheds light on intergroup conflict and the nature of social justice. Brian is also a fellow podcaster, hosting the show Know What You See which is definitely worth checking out.
Listeners can become a Behavioral Grooves supporter by donating to our work through Patreon. Or please consider writing us a podcast review on your app. Thanks!
Topics
(5:21) Welcome to Brian Lowery and speed round questions.
(7:34) The meaning IN life vs. the meaning OF life.
(9:23) How meaning in life is linked to a sense of self certainty.
(13:30) Context matters: those around us create who we are.
(17:13) What are you referring to when you talk about you?
(19:23) The responsibility we have when interacting with others.
(21:27) Does authenticity assume a stability of self?
(26:17) Our relationships define us while also limiting our freedom.
(30:59) The myth of rugged individualism.
(36:35) Do we really have freewill?
(42:06) What Brian talks about on his podcast, Know What You See.
(43:42) What role does music play in the identity of self?
(51:43) Grooving Session with Kurt and Tim discussing the meaning in life.
© 2022 Behavioral Grooves
Links
Know What You See Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/know-what-you-see-with-brian-lowery/id1580636076
Monty Python’s The Meaning Of Life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAwDWZoETk4&ab_channel=MontyPython
Episode 67, George Loewenstein: On a Functional Theory of Boredom: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/george-loewenstein-on-a-functional-theory-of-boredom/
Episode 248, John Bargh: Do We Control Situations or Do Situations Control Us? https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/control-situations-with-john-bargh/
Kimberle Crenshaw: https://www.law.columbia.edu/faculty/kimberle-w-crenshaw
Episode 307, Groove Track | Mind Over Milkshakes: Why Expectations Matter A Lot: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/mind-over-milkshakes-groove-track/
Behavioral Grooves Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves
Musical Links
Killer Mike “Untitled”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNsAfGDkUtk

Monday Aug 08, 2022
How Do Incentives Actually Impact Motivation? | Dr Indranil Goswami PhD
Monday Aug 08, 2022
Monday Aug 08, 2022
Incentives can improve motivation. But what actually happens when the incentive is removed? An influential body of research previously suggested that extrinsic rewards have a negative impact on intrinsic motivation. However, more recent studies show this not to be the case over the long term. Our guest, Dr Indranil Goswami PhD, talks us through the longer term effects of temporary incentives and the implications for motivating behavior change.
Indranil is an Assistant Professor of Marketing at the University at Buffalo. The research that we focus on in this episode is the paper he co-wrote with Dr Oleg Urminsky PhD, called “The Dynamic Effect of Incentives on Post-Reward Task Engagement”.
While there may be a dose of confirmation bias with this conversation, Kurt and Tim are excited to hear more about Indranil’s research which backs up what they have been telling companies for years:
“Incentives are useful for improving people's behavior, engagement and performance.”
Managers, academics and even parents have bought into the widely held belief that extrinsic motivators are not a useful tool for initiating behavior change. But Indranil’s work may help you reevaluate the tools you use to motivate those around you. Listen in and let us know if it encourages you to rethink your incentive program.
Regular listeners to Behavioral Grooves may enjoy being part of our exclusive group of Patreon members by supporting our work. You can also write a review of our podcast on whatever platform you listen on, and we often read these out on the show. Thank you!
Topics
(2:49) Welcome and speed round questions.
(4:00) Do extrinsic incentives always suppress intrinsic motivation?
(9:41) Does post incentive disengagement actually happen?
(16:59) The surprising effect of big incentives.
(22:42) Real world experiences of incentives.
(25:03) Can we design incentives that improve post reward performance?
(31:40) What is more motivating - flat fee payment schemes or rate based payment scheme?
(38:57) Does Indranil use music as motivation?
(43:18) Grooving Session with Kurt and Tim on rewards and motivation.
© 2022 Behavioral Grooves
Links
Goswami I, Urminsky O (2017) The dynamic effect of incentives on postreward task engagement: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28054810/
Daniel Kahneman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Kahneman
Dan Ariely: https://danariely.com/
Eisenberger, R., & Cameron, J. (1996) Detrimental effects of reward: Reality or myth? https://doi.org/10.1037/0003-066X.51.11.1153
Dan Ariely, Uri Gneezy, George Loewenstein, Nina Mazar (2009) Large Stakes and Big Mistakes: https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1467-937X.2009.00534.x
Episode 106, Jana Gallus: The Role of Precision in Incentives: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/jana-gallus-the-role-of-precision-in-incentives/
Goswami, Indranil and Urminsky, Oleg (2018). Don't Fear the Meter: How Longer Time Limits Yield Biased Preferences for Flat Fee Contracts: http://dx.doi.org/10.2139/ssrn.3448174
Episode 71, Alex Imas: Clawback Incentives and Tom Waits: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/alex-imas-clawback-incentives-and-tom-waits/
Behavioral Grooves Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves
Musical Links
Ravi Shankar “The Spirit of India”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMk2eTqPLWk

Thursday Aug 04, 2022
Groove Track: Cab Driver Study
Thursday Aug 04, 2022
Thursday Aug 04, 2022
Groove Track | Why can’t you find a cab in the rain?
We take a deep dive exploring the 1997 study “LABOR SUPPLY OF NEW YORK CITY CAB DRIVERS: ONE DAY AT A TIME,” by Colin Camerer, Linda Babcock, George Loewenstein, and Richard Thaler. This paper shifts through piles of data to look at how NY city cab drivers behaved - and what they found was an economic anomaly - the cab drivers did not behave as classical economists predicted. The data showed that the drivers worked shorter hours on days when they earned faster (e.g., when it's raining) which goes against what economists would have predicted (i.e., that they maximize those opportunities).
Kurt and Tim run through how the study came to be, what they measured, and the implications of the paper's findings. This is a quick and fun dive into one of behavioral science classic studies.
Find out more about this paper in our blog post

Monday Aug 01, 2022
Can You Really Love Things As Much As People? With Aaron Ahuvia
Monday Aug 01, 2022
Monday Aug 01, 2022
Love connects us to things in a deep way. But when we say we love our car, or we love our favorite beach, or we love our children, the love we express for each of those things is very different. So can we really love things as much as we love people?
Our guest is Dr. Aaron Ahuvia, the world’s leading expert on brand love, a topic he pioneered and has worked on since 1990. He is a Professor of Marketing at the University of Michigan Ann Arbor’s Ross School of Business. Among the many books and papers he has authored, our favorite is the paper titled “Dr. Seuss, Felicitator”. For those of you who are unfamiliar with the term “felicitator,” it is someone who brings happiness to others.
With Aaron, we discuss the very interesting and important topic of loving the things in our lives, why we love them, and how that love can change over time. This is especially true with brands and products and sporting teams and neighborhoods. One of the big takeaways from our conversation with Aaron is just to let go of this notion that it might be bad to love something.
If you love Behavioral Grooves, and it brings you a little happiness, please consider becoming one of our special Patreon members. Or you can tell us, and others, how much you love the show by leaving us a podcast review on whatever platform you use to listen. Thanks!
Topics
(4:45) Welcome and speed round questions.
(7:09) Can you really love a thing like you love a person?
(9:39) The difference between liking and loving.
(13:13) Why do we love sports teams?
(18:05) Why do we love something that can’t reciprocate?
(20:18) Is there an evolutionary basis to our love of objects?
(23:44) Do we love the things we use more often?
(27:44) Loving the music vs. the equipment that plays the music.
(34:29) The social aspect of the objects we buy.
(36:46) How Aaron loves music.
(42:46) Grooving Session with Kurt and Tim on what we love.
© 2022 Behavioral Grooves
Links
Aaron Ahuvia’s book “The Things We Love: How Our Passions Connect Us and Make Us Who We Are”: https://amzn.to/3IW0Jxj
Broadbent, Sarah (2012) Brand love in sport: antecedents and consequences: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305330187_Brand_love_in_sport_antecedents_and_consequences
Seth Stephens-Davidowitz, Episode 306, “Trust Your Gut? Only If The Data Supports It”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/trust-your-gut/
Rory Sutherland & Pete Dyson, Episode 290 “Transport Your Thinking; Why We Need To Reframe Travel”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/transport-rory-sutherland-pete-dyson/
Behavioral Grooves Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves.
Musical Links
Cory Wong “Power Station”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1loN5mhRkI
Brian Eno “Desert Island Music”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rQBi692Dw8

Monday Jul 25, 2022
Monday Jul 25, 2022
Disembarking people from a plane, row by row during the height of COVID, but then cramming all the passengers into a bus to the terminal…where is the common sense in that? Best selling author Martin Lindstrom laments that we are drowning in bureaucracy and that technology is contributing to the death of common sense in society.
Founder and chairman of Lindstrom Company, Martin Lindstrom is also the best selling author of seven New York Times best-selling books. We talk with Martin about his most recent book, “The Ministry Of Common Sense: How to Eliminate Bureaucratic Red Tape, Bad Excuses, and Corporate BS”.
Our conversation covers a lot of ground in a short time, including how John F. Kennedy was a trendsetter for the way businessmen dress today, why Martin lives without a phone, as well as how to cultivate more human-to-human connections. And since no conversation on Behavioral Grooves would be complete without a chit-chat about music, we find out what artists Martin would choose to take with him to a desert island.
If you are a regular listener to Behavioral Grooves, please consider donating to our work through Patreon. We really appreciate all our listeners' support, thanks.
Topics
(2:55) Welcome to Martin and speed round.
(8:19) Is technology contributing to the death of common sense?
(9:51) Separating private life and work life.
(14:45) What is the Ministry of Common Sense about?
(22:58) Compliance and being different.
(27:07) What musical artists would Martin take to a desert island?
(30:03) Grooving Session with Kurt and Tim on common sense.
© 2022 Behavioral Grooves
Links
Martin Lindstrom’s book: “The Ministry Of Common Sense: How to Eliminate Bureaucratic Red Tape, Bad Excuses, and Corporate BS”: https://amzn.to/3z0CJ7M
Martin Lindstrom: https://www.martinlindstrom.com/
Whitney Johnson, Episode 285: “The Three Phases of Growth and Learning”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/three-phases-of-growth/
Charlie Bell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Bell_(businessman)
Human Risk Podcast: https://www.human-risk.com/podcast
Nir Eyal, Episode 303 “From Distracted To Focused: Nir Eyal’s Secrets On How To Be Indistractable”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/nir-eyal-how-to-be-indistractable/
Vanessa Bohns, Episode 253 “Why You Don‘t Need to be Powerful to be Influential”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/influence-vanessa-bohns/
Robert Cialdini, Episode 226 “The Power of Unity: Robert Cialdini Expands His Best Selling Book Influence”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/cialdini-unity-in-influence/
Andrea Belk Olson, Episode 304 “Finding Out What Your Customers Want and Why It Matters”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/what-your-customers-wants/
Behavioral Grooves Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves
Musical Links
Tina Turner “Proud Mary”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTfYnRQgKgY&ab_channel=TinaTurner
Phil Collins “A Groovy Kind of Love”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsC_SARyPzk&ab_channel=PhilCollins
Mozart “Requiem”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi8vJ_lMxQI
Vivaldi “Four Seasons”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRxofEmo3HA

Monday Jul 18, 2022
Trust Your Gut? Only If The Data Supports It | Seth Stephens-Davidowitz
Monday Jul 18, 2022
Monday Jul 18, 2022
When making big decisions, people often go with what feels right - who we marry, where we live, what career we pursue. We base these decisions on our gut instinct. But what if our gut is biased, misinformed or quite simply wrong?
Economist, former Google scientist, New York Times bestselling author and friend of the show Seth Stephens-Davidowitz has mined through thousands of data sets to prove that we are, in fact, frequently making ill-informed decisions when we only trust our gut. And we are delighted to be talking to Seth again about his fantastic new book, Don't Trust Your Gut: Using Data to Get What You Really Want in Life.
From the data, Seth has uncovered what activities make us most happy, which isn’t always the most comfortable activity.
“If you're on the fence, between walking with friends, and lying on the couch watching Netflix…go on that walk…it's been proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt that that's the more likely path to happiness.”
But surprisingly there is one aspect of life that data cannot give us answers on. Listen to Seth’s entertaining interview to find out when exactly we should and shouldn’t trust our gut.
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Topics
(2:58) Welcome and speed round questions.
(10:04) Should we really not trust our gut?
(16:09) Relationships are as unpredictable as the weather forecast.
(20:16) Big data doesn’t apply to everything.
(22:51) Is skepticism underrated?
(24:51) What is mappiness?
(27:48) Does supporting a winning team make you more happy?
(29:28) The #1 happy activity.
(32:29) Mistaking a comfortable activity for an enjoyable activity.
(37:28) What is dataism?
(44:20) The data behind hustling.
(46:54) Would Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen make it today?
(52:37) Grooving Session with Kurt and Tim on trusting your gut.
© 2022 Behavioral Grooves
Links
Seth’s book: “Don't Trust Your Gut: Using Data to Get What You Really Want in Life”: https://amzn.to/3yICKwT
Episode 246, Seth Stephens-Davidowitz: Are You More Honest with Google or Your Friends? https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/are-you-more-honest-with-google/
Alexander Todorov, “Face Value: The Irresistible Influence of First Impressions”: https://amzn.to/3Pi59kp
Episode 211, AJ Jacobs: A Thousand Thanks: A Lifetime of Experiments and Gratitude: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/a-thousand-thanks-with-aj-jacobs/
Seth’s previous book: “Everybody Lies: Big Data, New Data, and What the Internet Can Tell Us About Who We Really Are”: https://amzn.to/32ULlgD
Episode 222, Shankar Vedantam “How Delusions Can Actually Be Useful: Shankar Vedantam Reveals How“: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/shankar-vedantam-useful-delusions/
Mappiness: http://www.mappiness.org.uk/
Krishnamurti T, Loewenstein G. The partner-specific sexual liking and sexual wanting scale: psychometric properties. Arch Sex Behav. 2012 Apr;41(2): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21720917/
Episode 287, Nick Epley, Why Talking To Strangers Is Actually Good For Your Wellbeing: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/talking-to-strangers/
Episode 274: Paul Bloom, Why Finding Pleasure in Life is a Painful Journey: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/pleasure-is-a-painful-journey/
Episode 205: Logan Ury, The Myth of the “Relationship Spark”: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/relationship-spark-logan-ury/
1000 True Fans, Kevin Kelly: https://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/
Musical Links
Rick Springfield “Jesse’s Girl”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYkbTyHXwbs
Bruce Springsteen “Glory Days’: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WccS8iFXgFI
Bob Dylan “The Times Are A-Changin’”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90WD_ats6eE 23refvc
Leonard Cohen “Hallelujah”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrLk4vdY28Q
Metallica “Nothing Else Matters”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAGnKpE4NCI
Luther Ingram "(If Loving You Is Wrong) I Don't Want to Be Right": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvJj7SN9EWI