
Stories, science and secrets from the world’s brightest thought-leaders. Behavioral Grooves is the podcast that satisfies your curiosity of why we do what we do. Explanations of human behavior that will improve your relationships, your wellbeing, and your organization by helping you find your groove.
Stories, science and secrets from the world’s brightest thought-leaders. Behavioral Grooves is the podcast that satisfies your curiosity of why we do what we do. Explanations of human behavior that will improve your relationships, your wellbeing, and your organization by helping you find your groove.
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3 days ago
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Why do smart organizations become slow, bureaucratic, and resistant to change? Phil Le-Brun and Jana Werner, authors of The Octopus Organization, explore why so many companies fall into the trap of becoming “Tin Man Organizations” and what leaders can do instead. We discuss distributed decision-making, psychological safety, incentives, organizational learning, and why adaptability, not control, is often the key to long-term success.
Topics
[0:00] Introduction and Speed Round with Jana Werner and Phil Le-Brun
[9:25] What “Bulls!t Bingo” Reveals About Corporate Language
[17:18] Psychology as a Leadership Tool
[25:14] Explaining Octopus Organization
[32:10] Challenges of Tin Man Organizations
[39:13] The Role of Psychology for Transformation
[45:56] Complex vs Complicated Systems
[50:50] Building an “Octopus Soundtrack”
[54:13] Grooving Session: Incentives, Rewards, and Recreating Systems
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