March 24, 2019

Francesca Gino: Curiosity and Rebellion Makes Your Career

Imagine a company where 100% of the employees are rebels – would it be chaotic or wonderful? Our guest from the Harvard Business School, Francesca Gino PhD, argues that rebels are not just essential, but they can improve corporate effectiveness.

Francesca is a professor and researcher at Harvard Business School who describes herself as a curious behavioral scientist, passionate about teaching and helping leaders make wiser decisions that can improve their lives and those of the people around them. She’s the author of dozens of peer-reviewed articles on decision making and her books include Sidetracked (2013), and more recently, Rebel Talent, that covers a body of research findings highlighting why the most successful people break the rules, and how rebellion brings joy and meaning into our lives.

Our discussion revealed that Francesca isn’t the kind of person who just doles out good advice, she often tests it out first on herself, her husband and children, her students and colleagues and even the business leaders she consults with! She’s a rebel thinker and doer and her drive to discover answers to the why-we-do-what-we-do question is without limits.

Her findings reveal key methods that companies can use to help employees remain curious and to steer employees clear of the day-to-day ruts that are so easy to fall into.

In the grooving session that follows our discussion with Francesca, we dig deeper into the application of curiosity, psychological safety and extremely powerful (and portable) conversation too, “Yes, and…” Kurt and Tim share ways in which we’ve seen “yes, and…” is applied successfully in workshops, brainstorming sessions, corporate meetings, and presentations in the corporate world.

We hope you enjoy our conversation with the rebel Francesca Gino.

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Francesca Gino:

Rebel Talent:


After the episode, Francesca told us that she listened to Youngblood’s version of 5 Seconds of Summer:

Julia Minson, PhD at the Kennedy School at Harvard:

Pixar Animation Studios:

The Ballad of Lucinda (by Tim Houlihan):

Blog Post on PADI certification (by Ben Granlund):

St. Vincent (on sounds):

Blasphemous Rumors (by Depeche Mode):

Kurt Nelson: @motivationguru and

Tim Houlihan: @THoulihan and


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